1 00:00:01,460 --> 00:00:03,795 Mr. Markowitz, Barry Gorman. Thanks for seein' me. 2 00:00:03,795 --> 00:00:06,840 Sure. What can I do for you? 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:08,383 Oh, we'll get to that. 4 00:00:08,383 --> 00:00:10,219 That's a nice family. 5 00:00:10,219 --> 00:00:12,262 Thank you. Thank you very much. 6 00:00:12,262 --> 00:00:15,474 So you have a client with a tax problem, is that right? 7 00:00:15,474 --> 00:00:17,267 Hm? Oh, no, no. 8 00:00:17,267 --> 00:00:19,061 This is a private matter. 9 00:00:20,354 --> 00:00:22,564 You, uh, [clears throat] 10 00:00:22,564 --> 00:00:25,943 knew a woman back in 1974 named Karen Alder? 11 00:00:25,943 --> 00:00:27,527 Yes. I did indeed. 12 00:00:27,527 --> 00:00:30,656 We met down in Baja. How's she doin'? 13 00:00:30,656 --> 00:00:32,866 She passed away a few months ago. 14 00:00:32,866 --> 00:00:35,452 I'm very sorry to hear that. 15 00:00:35,452 --> 00:00:37,829 She was, she was a couple of years younger than I am. 16 00:00:37,829 --> 00:00:40,958 You and Ms. Alder had a relationship, right? 17 00:00:40,958 --> 00:00:42,209 I wouldn't call it a relationship. 18 00:00:42,209 --> 00:00:43,585 We went out a few times. 19 00:00:43,585 --> 00:00:47,172 You had... sexual relations 20 00:00:47,172 --> 00:00:49,466 on some on those occasions, didn't you? 21 00:00:49,466 --> 00:00:51,343 Excuse me? 22 00:00:51,343 --> 00:00:53,095 What is this about, Mr. Gorman? 23 00:00:53,095 --> 00:00:56,139 This is about paternity, Mr. Markowitz. 24 00:00:56,139 --> 00:00:57,516 You have a daughter. 25 00:00:59,768 --> 00:01:01,812 [theme music] 26 00:01:31,008 --> 00:01:32,968 [music continues] 27 00:02:03,081 --> 00:02:05,042 [music continues] 28 00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:33,111 [instrumental music] 29 00:03:03,100 --> 00:03:05,060 [music continues] 30 00:03:27,416 --> 00:03:29,918 Well, so far this alleged "daughter" hasn't filed yet. 31 00:03:29,918 --> 00:03:32,129 She'll probably threaten to go public to force a settlement. 32 00:03:32,129 --> 00:03:33,755 - That's blackmail! Arnie: Oh, absolutely. 33 00:03:33,755 --> 00:03:35,757 Look, this Gorman is a bottom-feeder, 34 00:03:35,757 --> 00:03:37,467 I wouldn't be surprised if he manipulated 35 00:03:37,467 --> 00:03:39,594 this girl into filing suit. 36 00:03:39,594 --> 00:03:41,179 He may even try to get appointed her guardian. 37 00:03:41,179 --> 00:03:42,931 So we're looking at fraud here? 38 00:03:42,931 --> 00:03:45,976 Probably, but they've done some homework. 39 00:03:45,976 --> 00:03:48,145 Stuart... 40 00:03:48,145 --> 00:03:50,939 you did know this woman, Karen Alder? 41 00:03:50,939 --> 00:03:53,942 Yeah, I-- I-- I dated her for like, uh, 3 months. 42 00:03:53,942 --> 00:03:55,694 And you did go to bed with her? 43 00:03:55,694 --> 00:03:58,613 Yeah, it was a casual thing. 44 00:03:58,613 --> 00:04:00,699 - Well, I wasn't a monk! - I never said you were. 45 00:04:00,699 --> 00:04:02,659 Okay, the good news is, the girl is sixteen, 46 00:04:02,659 --> 00:04:04,286 the most she can ask for is 2 years' support 47 00:04:04,286 --> 00:04:05,495 until she reaches her majority. 48 00:04:05,495 --> 00:04:06,496 What's the bad news? 49 00:04:06,496 --> 00:04:07,706 California child support 50 00:04:07,706 --> 00:04:09,207 guidelines state that a child 51 00:04:09,207 --> 00:04:11,126 must be supported in a fashion commensurate 52 00:04:11,126 --> 00:04:12,127 with the father's wealth. 53 00:04:12,127 --> 00:04:13,170 Ann: Oh, God... 54 00:04:13,170 --> 00:04:15,172 Given your net annual salary, 55 00:04:15,172 --> 00:04:17,424 I can see her going for, what, 6,000 a month for 2 years? 56 00:04:17,424 --> 00:04:19,676 You're lookin' at $150,000 hit here. 57 00:04:19,676 --> 00:04:21,303 If this really were my daughter 58 00:04:21,303 --> 00:04:22,888 why didn't the mother contact me for support? 59 00:04:22,888 --> 00:04:24,848 - Exactly! Arnie: Relax. 60 00:04:24,848 --> 00:04:26,475 - They overlooked one thing. - What? 61 00:04:26,475 --> 00:04:27,726 Your sperm count is so low 62 00:04:27,726 --> 00:04:29,227 it can be measured in fractions. 63 00:04:29,227 --> 00:04:30,729 Their case is real shaky. 64 00:04:30,729 --> 00:04:32,689 Great. That makes me feel really wonderful. 65 00:04:32,689 --> 00:04:34,816 So, what do we do? 66 00:04:34,816 --> 00:04:36,818 The easiest way to get rid of this? 67 00:04:36,818 --> 00:04:38,153 DNA tests. 68 00:04:38,153 --> 00:04:39,529 But it probably won't come to that. 69 00:04:39,529 --> 00:04:41,198 Look, Gorman is a K-Mart lawyer. 70 00:04:41,198 --> 00:04:44,743 If I go at him at Warp Ten and I don't let up, 71 00:04:44,743 --> 00:04:46,828 I might intimidate him right back into the woodwork. 72 00:04:46,828 --> 00:04:48,914 Good, because if he thinks we are going to roll over 73 00:04:48,914 --> 00:04:53,293 for this kind of extortion, he is dead wrong! 74 00:04:53,293 --> 00:04:55,837 Next up, The Simon and Katherine Rubin Foundation 75 00:04:55,837 --> 00:04:59,007 versus University of California and Dr. Emily Connor. 76 00:04:59,007 --> 00:05:02,260 We're representing Dr. Connor and the University? 77 00:05:02,260 --> 00:05:03,804 Yeah, The Rubin Foundation 78 00:05:03,804 --> 00:05:06,765 granted Dr. Connor $100,000 to study a new way 79 00:05:06,765 --> 00:05:08,808 to save heart attack and stroke victims. 80 00:05:08,808 --> 00:05:10,185 She's halfway through the project 81 00:05:10,185 --> 00:05:11,520 and Kurt Rubin, the Foundation president, 82 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:12,521 wants his money back. 83 00:05:12,521 --> 00:05:13,980 Why? 84 00:05:13,980 --> 00:05:15,357 He says she's breached their contract 85 00:05:15,357 --> 00:05:16,691 by using scientific data 86 00:05:16,691 --> 00:05:18,568 from the Nazi concentration camps. 87 00:05:18,568 --> 00:05:19,945 - Nazis? Cara: What data? 88 00:05:19,945 --> 00:05:21,613 - We're representing Nazis? - No. 89 00:05:21,613 --> 00:05:23,532 We're representing a highly respected scientist 90 00:05:23,532 --> 00:05:25,200 who wants to save lives. 91 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,245 Which particular Nazi experiments is she using? 92 00:05:28,245 --> 00:05:30,497 The Dachau hypothermia experiment. 93 00:05:30,497 --> 00:05:32,123 You know, where they subjected prisoners 94 00:05:32,123 --> 00:05:33,458 to freezing temperatures and monitored 95 00:05:33,458 --> 00:05:34,709 their physiological responses. 96 00:05:34,709 --> 00:05:36,628 - How many died? Jonathan: About 90 men, 97 00:05:36,628 --> 00:05:38,463 but tens of thousands die every month 98 00:05:38,463 --> 00:05:39,798 from heart disease, and my client 99 00:05:39,798 --> 00:05:41,216 thinks she can save a lot of them. 100 00:05:41,216 --> 00:05:42,259 I'm sorry, but I don't buy that. 101 00:05:42,259 --> 00:05:43,468 Arnie: I hate to sound crass, 102 00:05:43,468 --> 00:05:45,303 but if it meant the life and death 103 00:05:45,303 --> 00:05:48,515 of somebody that I loved, I'd want them to use the data. 104 00:05:48,515 --> 00:05:50,141 It won't change what happened to those prisoners. 105 00:05:50,141 --> 00:05:52,269 I don't think it's quite that simple, Arnold. 106 00:05:52,269 --> 00:05:53,937 Come on, Leland, no one's saying the experiments 107 00:05:53,937 --> 00:05:56,022 weren't horrendous, but they were 50 years ago. 108 00:05:56,022 --> 00:05:58,066 If the data can save even one life today, 109 00:05:58,066 --> 00:05:59,109 I feel we should do it. 110 00:05:59,109 --> 00:06:00,110 I'm not saying you shouldn't 111 00:06:00,110 --> 00:06:02,571 take the case, Jonathan, 112 00:06:02,571 --> 00:06:05,240 but I understand what Mr. Rubin is afraid of. 113 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:06,741 Is there any possibility of a settlement? 114 00:06:06,741 --> 00:06:08,368 So far they haven't been willing. 115 00:06:08,368 --> 00:06:10,287 I think they're just hoping for the best deal 116 00:06:10,287 --> 00:06:11,621 at the 11th hour. 117 00:06:11,621 --> 00:06:13,915 Good luck. And we're adjourned. 118 00:06:20,505 --> 00:06:24,009 That's is for News at Noon. Have a great day, L.A. 119 00:06:24,009 --> 00:06:26,845 We're clear! Good work, people. 120 00:06:28,513 --> 00:06:29,472 Good piece. 121 00:06:33,310 --> 00:06:34,936 These chairs are murder. 122 00:06:34,936 --> 00:06:37,147 Here, let me show you what's good for that. 123 00:06:37,147 --> 00:06:38,732 Come here, sit down. 124 00:06:44,529 --> 00:06:47,949 Ooh, your scapula's in spasm. 125 00:06:47,949 --> 00:06:51,828 Okay, just relax. 126 00:06:51,828 --> 00:06:54,247 How can I ever thank you? 127 00:06:54,247 --> 00:06:58,627 Well... now that you ask... 128 00:06:58,627 --> 00:07:01,129 I have 2 tickets for Phantom this Friday night 129 00:07:01,129 --> 00:07:05,216 and I just broke up with someone. 130 00:07:05,216 --> 00:07:08,094 I'd hate to listen to the music of the night alone. 131 00:07:08,094 --> 00:07:09,763 Would you go with me? 132 00:07:09,763 --> 00:07:14,643 I'd love to, but I-- but I can't. 133 00:07:14,643 --> 00:07:18,480 I'm living with someone and, uh... 134 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,441 She's gonna meet me here for lunch. 135 00:07:21,441 --> 00:07:23,276 Well, that proves it. 136 00:07:23,276 --> 00:07:26,446 All the good ones are taken. 137 00:07:26,446 --> 00:07:27,656 Sorry. [both laughs] 138 00:07:27,656 --> 00:07:29,074 I'll live. 139 00:07:29,074 --> 00:07:30,367 Just to show you there are no hard feelings, 140 00:07:30,367 --> 00:07:32,202 I'll finish up your left trap. 141 00:07:32,202 --> 00:07:33,787 [sighs] 142 00:07:33,787 --> 00:07:36,164 Is this what they mean by "hands on" journalism? 143 00:07:36,164 --> 00:07:38,416 [both laughing] 144 00:07:38,416 --> 00:07:41,503 Oh, boy, this is heaven. 145 00:07:41,503 --> 00:07:43,463 Ahem. 146 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:46,132 Roxanne! Hi. 147 00:07:46,132 --> 00:07:49,094 Uh, this is Julie Rayburn. 148 00:07:49,094 --> 00:07:51,763 - Uh, you know Julie Rayburn? - No, no. 149 00:07:51,763 --> 00:07:53,348 But I've heard a lot about her. 150 00:07:53,348 --> 00:07:55,100 Uh, Julie, this is my girlfriend, 151 00:07:55,100 --> 00:07:56,726 Roxanne Melman. 152 00:07:56,726 --> 00:07:59,187 Nice to meet you. You've got a great guy here. 153 00:07:59,187 --> 00:08:02,232 Thanks. I think so, too. Most of the time. 154 00:08:02,232 --> 00:08:03,817 We gotta go. See you tomorrow. 155 00:08:07,654 --> 00:08:10,156 We'd like to find some middle ground here, Mr. Rubin. 156 00:08:10,156 --> 00:08:11,157 We've still got a few minutes before court. 157 00:08:11,157 --> 00:08:12,826 No. 158 00:08:12,826 --> 00:08:13,993 It can't hurt to at least listen, Kurt. 159 00:08:13,993 --> 00:08:15,912 Rubin: There is middle ground! 160 00:08:15,912 --> 00:08:18,248 Using my money to legitimize Nazis 161 00:08:18,248 --> 00:08:20,208 desecrates the memory of my parents. 162 00:08:20,208 --> 00:08:21,793 And letting people die honors them? 163 00:08:21,793 --> 00:08:23,712 - Emily... - We have a contract. 164 00:08:23,712 --> 00:08:26,923 This isn't just about contracts. 165 00:08:26,923 --> 00:08:28,466 It's about not forgetting. 166 00:08:28,466 --> 00:08:29,926 This is pointless. 167 00:08:33,471 --> 00:08:36,099 Jonathan! 168 00:08:36,099 --> 00:08:37,642 - Hey, babe. - There was a file 169 00:08:37,642 --> 00:08:39,018 on the kitchen table. 170 00:08:39,018 --> 00:08:42,313 Ah, yes, People versus Barretto? 171 00:08:42,313 --> 00:08:44,023 Yes. You are a lifesaver. 172 00:08:44,023 --> 00:08:45,775 I gotta go. Bye. 173 00:08:48,194 --> 00:08:50,321 Your wife? 174 00:08:50,321 --> 00:08:51,781 Girlfriend. 175 00:08:51,781 --> 00:08:55,201 Is that... Is that a problem? 176 00:08:55,201 --> 00:08:57,287 We live with it. 177 00:08:57,287 --> 00:08:59,164 My mother was a Protestant 178 00:08:59,164 --> 00:09:01,166 and my father was a Jew. 179 00:09:01,166 --> 00:09:03,251 They were not allowed to live with it. 180 00:09:03,251 --> 00:09:06,921 Under the Nazis, their marriage was a crime 181 00:09:06,921 --> 00:09:08,548 and their punishment was death. 182 00:09:13,970 --> 00:09:16,931 Mr. Rubin, what happened when you were 7 years old? 183 00:09:16,931 --> 00:09:21,770 I was climbing trees in the woods near our house. 184 00:09:21,770 --> 00:09:24,814 When I got home, my parents were gone. 185 00:09:24,814 --> 00:09:27,400 The Nazis had taken them to Auschwitz. 186 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,986 - I never saw them again. Neil: What did you do? 187 00:09:29,986 --> 00:09:31,905 Rubin: I lived in the woods for several days, 188 00:09:31,905 --> 00:09:33,490 before a neighbor found me. 189 00:09:33,490 --> 00:09:35,492 For the next year, I was a child fugitive. 190 00:09:35,492 --> 00:09:37,994 Sometimes runnin, sometimes hiding 191 00:09:37,994 --> 00:09:41,080 in farmers barns and cellars. 192 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,666 Finally I was, uh... 193 00:09:43,666 --> 00:09:45,293 smuggled to Switzerland. 194 00:09:45,293 --> 00:09:46,836 Do you know what happened to your parents 195 00:09:46,836 --> 00:09:48,838 in the concentration camps? 196 00:09:48,838 --> 00:09:51,674 Yes, a survivor I found after the war 197 00:09:51,674 --> 00:09:53,593 told me that... 198 00:09:53,593 --> 00:09:57,472 the Nazis tried to make my father a Kapo, 199 00:09:57,472 --> 00:10:00,934 a prisoner who helped them brutalize other prisoners. 200 00:10:00,934 --> 00:10:04,604 Neil: Did your father agree? - No. 201 00:10:04,604 --> 00:10:06,064 He committed suicide 202 00:10:06,064 --> 00:10:09,526 by throwing himself on an electrified fence. 203 00:10:09,526 --> 00:10:11,152 And your mother? 204 00:10:11,152 --> 00:10:13,446 They shot her 205 00:10:13,446 --> 00:10:14,823 when she tried to stop them 206 00:10:14,823 --> 00:10:17,367 from removing my father's head. 207 00:10:17,367 --> 00:10:20,120 Neil: Why would they remove his head? 208 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,830 A Nazi anthropologist 209 00:10:21,830 --> 00:10:24,332 wanted Jewish skulls for his collection. 210 00:10:24,332 --> 00:10:28,002 And this is the kind of "science" 211 00:10:28,002 --> 00:10:29,003 the Nazis practiced. 212 00:10:29,003 --> 00:10:30,630 Objection, irrelevant! 213 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:32,799 It is not he kind of science Dr. Connor practices. 214 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:34,300 Sustained. 215 00:10:34,300 --> 00:10:35,844 Why did you establish a foundation 216 00:10:35,844 --> 00:10:37,762 in your parents name, Mr. Rubin? 217 00:10:37,762 --> 00:10:40,765 To promote the betterment of mankind, 218 00:10:40,765 --> 00:10:44,144 subject to ethical, medical research standards. 219 00:10:44,144 --> 00:10:46,271 Then why did you agree to fund a project 220 00:10:46,271 --> 00:10:48,648 that included the Dachau hypothermia data? 221 00:10:48,648 --> 00:10:51,818 Because Dr. Connor's application didn't state 222 00:10:51,818 --> 00:10:55,363 that she was going to use the data. 223 00:10:55,363 --> 00:10:57,031 It was only after she cashed my check 224 00:10:57,031 --> 00:10:59,117 that she began conducting seminars 225 00:10:59,117 --> 00:11:01,953 which referenced this... torture. 226 00:11:01,953 --> 00:11:05,081 If you'd known this, 227 00:11:05,081 --> 00:11:07,625 you'd never have agreed to give her the grant? 228 00:11:07,625 --> 00:11:08,960 Rubin: Absolutely not. 229 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,503 My mother and father were butchered 230 00:11:10,503 --> 00:11:13,590 by those criminals, Mr. Robertson. 231 00:11:13,590 --> 00:11:17,176 How can anyone expect me to give money in their name 232 00:11:17,176 --> 00:11:20,263 to someone who says that these criminals 233 00:11:20,263 --> 00:11:21,806 were scientists? 234 00:11:21,806 --> 00:11:23,099 No further questions. 235 00:11:25,351 --> 00:11:27,937 Does the Rubin Foundation require grant applicants 236 00:11:27,937 --> 00:11:29,689 to list all of their research sources? 237 00:11:29,689 --> 00:11:31,858 We require primary sources, yes. 238 00:11:31,858 --> 00:11:33,318 And didn't Dr. Connor list her primary sources? 239 00:11:33,318 --> 00:11:35,028 Rubin: Yes, but-- 240 00:11:35,028 --> 00:11:37,113 So, Dr. Connor didn't deceive you in her application? 241 00:11:37,113 --> 00:11:39,365 No, but she obviously omitted the Dachau data 242 00:11:39,365 --> 00:11:41,284 because she knew that I would refuse-- 243 00:11:41,284 --> 00:11:43,161 Move to strike. Mr. Rubin isn't able to read Dr. Connor's mind. 244 00:11:43,161 --> 00:11:44,621 Sustained. 245 00:11:44,621 --> 00:11:45,872 Doesn't your grant include a statement 246 00:11:45,872 --> 00:11:47,457 protecting full academic freedom? 247 00:11:47,457 --> 00:11:50,919 This is not about academic freedom, Mr. Rollins. 248 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:53,922 It's about my right to refuse to finance lies! 249 00:11:53,922 --> 00:11:55,632 Yes or no, Mr. Rubin. 250 00:11:55,632 --> 00:11:57,759 Do you believe in academic freedom? 251 00:11:57,759 --> 00:12:01,137 Yes, but I don't believe in legitimizing atrocities-- 252 00:12:01,137 --> 00:12:02,388 And doesn't Dr. Connor say that her research can save lives? 253 00:12:02,388 --> 00:12:03,973 Rubin: Yes, but-- 254 00:12:03,973 --> 00:12:05,934 And if that's true, isn't her work promoting 255 00:12:05,934 --> 00:12:07,101 the betterment of mankind? 256 00:12:07,101 --> 00:12:10,230 Not if it exonerates savagery! 257 00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:12,482 Do you think this is all over and done with? 258 00:12:12,482 --> 00:12:14,108 Do you think the Nazis were just some 259 00:12:14,108 --> 00:12:15,735 historical aberration? 260 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:17,445 - Your Honor, move to strike. Rubin: Look around you! 261 00:12:17,445 --> 00:12:19,030 We're in a recession and up springs 262 00:12:19,030 --> 00:12:21,032 a former Ku Klux Klansman to run for president! 263 00:12:21,032 --> 00:12:22,617 - Your Honor. Donald: Mr. Rubin. 264 00:12:22,617 --> 00:12:24,827 In Germany Neo-Nazis are killing foreigners 265 00:12:24,827 --> 00:12:26,246 and people watched, just like they watched Hitler. 266 00:12:26,246 --> 00:12:27,956 Mr. Rubin, please! 267 00:12:27,956 --> 00:12:29,666 What if you're a communist, Dr. Connor? 268 00:12:29,666 --> 00:12:32,126 - Or a homosexual? - That's enough! Sit down. 269 00:12:32,126 --> 00:12:35,046 What if they outlaw scientists? 270 00:12:35,046 --> 00:12:36,965 What is you are the enemy next time? 271 00:12:36,965 --> 00:12:39,258 Donald: Mr. Rubin... please. 272 00:12:39,258 --> 00:12:40,385 Naw. 273 00:12:45,515 --> 00:12:47,767 Be aggressive, Arnie. I want vintage Becker. 274 00:12:47,767 --> 00:12:49,644 Please, Ann. 275 00:12:49,644 --> 00:12:50,937 Good morning. 276 00:12:50,937 --> 00:12:53,940 Mr. Markowitz. Mr. Becker. 277 00:12:53,940 --> 00:12:55,733 This is my wife, Ann Kelsey. 278 00:12:55,733 --> 00:12:57,360 Mr. Gorman. 279 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,990 I'd like you both to meet my client, Sarah Alder. 280 00:13:01,990 --> 00:13:04,284 Hi. 281 00:13:04,284 --> 00:13:05,368 Hello. 282 00:13:08,288 --> 00:13:09,956 Hi. 283 00:13:09,956 --> 00:13:12,750 - Hi. - Let's get started. 284 00:13:12,750 --> 00:13:13,751 First thing I'd like to know is what you're doing 285 00:13:13,751 --> 00:13:15,420 representing a minor? 286 00:13:15,420 --> 00:13:17,255 It so happens, counselor, that I'm planning on 287 00:13:17,255 --> 00:13:19,132 seeking guardianship for this young lady. 288 00:13:19,132 --> 00:13:20,717 You know, the only thing that stinks here 289 00:13:20,717 --> 00:13:23,928 worse than your case, counselor, is your ethics. 290 00:13:23,928 --> 00:13:26,097 Let's drop the animosity, shall we? 291 00:13:26,097 --> 00:13:29,475 You haven't seen animosity, Mr. Gorman. 292 00:13:29,475 --> 00:13:30,977 It's highly unlikely that this girl 293 00:13:30,977 --> 00:13:32,729 is Mr. Markowitz's daughter, 294 00:13:32,729 --> 00:13:35,481 as these medical records from his urologist can attest. 295 00:13:35,481 --> 00:13:36,941 You're leveling flimsy charges 296 00:13:36,941 --> 00:13:40,069 against a man of high principles... 297 00:13:40,069 --> 00:13:41,070 and a low sperm count. 298 00:13:41,070 --> 00:13:42,321 Stuart: Alright, Arnie. 299 00:13:42,321 --> 00:13:43,322 She's your daughter, Stuart. 300 00:13:43,322 --> 00:13:44,699 Arnie: What? - What? 301 00:13:44,699 --> 00:13:46,075 Ann: You're the father. I can tell. 302 00:13:46,075 --> 00:13:47,493 Terrific! Let's draw up some papers. 303 00:13:47,493 --> 00:13:49,078 Look at eyes for God's sake. 304 00:13:49,078 --> 00:13:50,121 - Can't you see it? - I don't believe this. 305 00:13:50,121 --> 00:13:51,539 How are we gonna tell Matthew? 306 00:13:51,539 --> 00:13:53,291 Honey, M-- Matthew's two years old. 307 00:13:53,291 --> 00:13:55,084 I can see it now, "Mother, this is Stuart's daughter 308 00:13:55,084 --> 00:13:56,461 - this is Stuart's daughter-- Stuart: Oh, wait a minute! 309 00:13:56,461 --> 00:13:58,129 We don't talk to your mother now. 310 00:13:58,129 --> 00:13:59,756 - Why should this change? - He's not my father. 311 00:13:59,756 --> 00:14:00,882 - What? Arnie: What? 312 00:14:00,882 --> 00:14:02,967 I'm sorry. 313 00:14:02,967 --> 00:14:04,969 I knew my mom had been with you, 314 00:14:04,969 --> 00:14:07,346 I knew you had money, that's why I came to you. 315 00:14:07,346 --> 00:14:09,265 But you're not my real father. 316 00:14:09,265 --> 00:14:11,476 Let's not jump to any rash conclusions here. 317 00:14:11,476 --> 00:14:13,394 He doesn't even look like me! 318 00:14:15,313 --> 00:14:16,647 Sarah: I'm sorry. 319 00:14:24,113 --> 00:14:26,574 During 1942 and '43 320 00:14:26,574 --> 00:14:29,911 approximately 350 male concentration camp prisoners 321 00:14:29,911 --> 00:14:33,539 were either plunged naked into vats of freezing water 322 00:14:33,539 --> 00:14:36,626 or hosed down and left outdoors in sub zero weather. 323 00:14:36,626 --> 00:14:38,044 To lower their body temperatures 324 00:14:38,044 --> 00:14:39,629 to subnormal levels? 325 00:14:39,629 --> 00:14:41,464 David: Yes, as their temperatures dropped, 326 00:14:41,464 --> 00:14:44,467 physiological and biochemical changes were recorded. 327 00:14:44,467 --> 00:14:46,260 When they were near death, 328 00:14:46,260 --> 00:14:49,639 the Nazis tried various methods to rewarm them. 329 00:14:49,639 --> 00:14:53,017 What was the so-called purpose for these "experiments?" 330 00:14:53,017 --> 00:14:55,228 To find ways to save German pilots 331 00:14:55,228 --> 00:14:56,479 who fell into the North Sea 332 00:14:56,479 --> 00:14:59,273 when their planes were shot down. 333 00:14:59,273 --> 00:15:01,359 As an expert on these experiments, 334 00:15:01,359 --> 00:15:02,944 how would you say the Dachau study 335 00:15:02,944 --> 00:15:04,570 measures up scientifically? 336 00:15:04,570 --> 00:15:06,531 The report is riddled with inconsistencies 337 00:15:06,531 --> 00:15:08,449 and very likely falsifications. 338 00:15:08,449 --> 00:15:09,909 There is no evidence 339 00:15:09,909 --> 00:15:12,578 that scientific standards were maintained. 340 00:15:12,578 --> 00:15:15,164 And what about the man who ran these experiments? 341 00:15:15,164 --> 00:15:18,626 Dr. Sigmund Rascher was a mediocre scientist. 342 00:15:18,626 --> 00:15:20,711 But he was an accomplished sadist, 343 00:15:20,711 --> 00:15:22,672 whose hobbies included collecting human skin 344 00:15:22,672 --> 00:15:23,881 for riding britches. 345 00:15:23,881 --> 00:15:25,258 Niel: Did Dr. Rascher conduct 346 00:15:25,258 --> 00:15:26,425 any other experiments for the Nazis? 347 00:15:26,425 --> 00:15:28,094 Objection. Relevance? 348 00:15:28,094 --> 00:15:30,221 Goes to the competency of the researcher, Your Honor. 349 00:15:30,221 --> 00:15:32,223 I'll allow it. 350 00:15:32,223 --> 00:15:35,434 I hesitate to call what Rascher did experiments. 351 00:15:35,434 --> 00:15:37,687 He-- he put people in pressure chambers 352 00:15:37,687 --> 00:15:40,022 until his subjects lungs exploded. 353 00:15:40,022 --> 00:15:41,440 He also slaughtered men and women 354 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,067 by amputating their limbs 355 00:15:43,067 --> 00:15:46,362 to test a medication he claimed would reduce bleeding. 356 00:15:46,362 --> 00:15:50,032 Dr. Howell, if a scientist came forward today with data 357 00:15:50,032 --> 00:15:53,452 gathered using methods like Sigmund Rascher's, 358 00:15:53,452 --> 00:15:54,495 what do you think would happen? 359 00:15:54,495 --> 00:15:56,038 He'd be thrown in prison, 360 00:15:56,038 --> 00:15:59,625 and his data recognized for the garbage it is. 361 00:15:59,625 --> 00:16:02,128 Thank you. 362 00:16:02,128 --> 00:16:03,880 Your witness. 363 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,923 You say this data is garbage, Dr. Howell? 364 00:16:05,923 --> 00:16:06,966 David: Yes. 365 00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:08,009 Then how do you explain the fact 366 00:16:08,009 --> 00:16:09,135 that it's been cited in numerous 367 00:16:09,135 --> 00:16:10,845 respected medical studies? 368 00:16:10,845 --> 00:16:15,349 The authors obviously only took the results at face value. 369 00:16:15,349 --> 00:16:17,393 They haven't done any real analysis. 370 00:16:17,393 --> 00:16:20,104 But didn't the Dachau data help researchers develop techniques 371 00:16:20,104 --> 00:16:23,024 for open heart surgery and cold water survival suits? 372 00:16:23,024 --> 00:16:25,109 The degree to which that data helped 373 00:16:25,109 --> 00:16:27,445 is highly debatable, counsel. 374 00:16:27,445 --> 00:16:28,863 The majority of medical ethicists agree with me. 375 00:16:28,863 --> 00:16:30,656 Medical ethicists agree. 376 00:16:30,656 --> 00:16:31,657 And that's primarily your field, isn't it doctor? 377 00:16:31,657 --> 00:16:33,284 Yes. 378 00:16:33,284 --> 00:16:35,703 But physicians, and physiologists like Dr. Connor, 379 00:16:35,703 --> 00:16:37,371 have found that data valuable 380 00:16:37,371 --> 00:16:39,207 and utilized it in the past. Isn't that correct? 381 00:16:39,207 --> 00:16:42,793 Every time we accept the unacceptable, 382 00:16:42,793 --> 00:16:44,420 the unspeakable, 383 00:16:44,420 --> 00:16:47,506 we bring it that much closer to happening again. 384 00:16:47,506 --> 00:16:49,383 Doctor, we don't live in Nazi Germany. 385 00:16:49,383 --> 00:16:52,178 Starting in 1932, the U.S. Public Health Service 386 00:16:52,178 --> 00:16:54,430 studied 100s of black men with syphilis. 387 00:16:54,430 --> 00:16:57,141 They never told them they had the disease 388 00:16:57,141 --> 00:16:59,268 "Bad blood" is what they called it. 389 00:16:59,268 --> 00:17:02,271 And even after the introduction of penicillin 390 00:17:02,271 --> 00:17:03,814 they refused to cure them. 391 00:17:03,814 --> 00:17:05,775 Those men died horrible deaths, 392 00:17:05,775 --> 00:17:07,985 all for the sake of a study. 393 00:17:07,985 --> 00:17:12,114 A study that didn't stop until 1972! 394 00:17:12,114 --> 00:17:13,991 So don't tell me this kind of thing 395 00:17:13,991 --> 00:17:15,284 can't happen here, counsel! 396 00:17:15,284 --> 00:17:16,661 That's tragic, Dr. Howell, 397 00:17:16,661 --> 00:17:18,204 but it is not what this case is about. 398 00:17:18,204 --> 00:17:20,790 Dr. Connor is not an unethical researcher. 399 00:17:20,790 --> 00:17:23,209 She is if she uses unethical data! 400 00:17:23,209 --> 00:17:25,294 Or maybe she saw a way to bring some good out of the pain 401 00:17:25,294 --> 00:17:26,671 and terror these prisoners suffered. 402 00:17:26,671 --> 00:17:28,130 - Objection. Jonathan: Withdrawn. 403 00:17:28,130 --> 00:17:29,674 I have nothing further. 404 00:17:34,053 --> 00:17:36,055 Arnie, just the man I want to see! 405 00:17:36,055 --> 00:17:39,183 Do you know anything about computer sex? 406 00:17:39,183 --> 00:17:40,518 Sex between computers? 407 00:17:40,518 --> 00:17:42,228 man: Two minutes to floor. 408 00:17:42,228 --> 00:17:44,647 No, no. computer operators. 409 00:17:44,647 --> 00:17:47,984 Electronic bulletin boards on sexual topics. 410 00:17:47,984 --> 00:17:50,695 Like phone sex, but via modem. 411 00:17:50,695 --> 00:17:52,697 And it's not all talk, either. 412 00:17:52,697 --> 00:17:55,491 With a good printer, you can send photographs 413 00:17:55,491 --> 00:17:57,868 or illustrations like these. 414 00:18:01,998 --> 00:18:04,959 I guess it's the missionary position... 415 00:18:04,959 --> 00:18:06,252 if you're a missionary from Mars. 416 00:18:06,252 --> 00:18:07,295 [laughs] 417 00:18:07,295 --> 00:18:08,963 Computer generated images. 418 00:18:08,963 --> 00:18:11,757 Cybersex. [laughs] It's a natural, right? 419 00:18:11,757 --> 00:18:14,135 Oh, absolutely. A natural. 420 00:18:14,135 --> 00:18:15,386 For what? 421 00:18:15,386 --> 00:18:16,929 Sweeps week. 422 00:18:16,929 --> 00:18:19,056 Now what I need from you is the legal angle. 423 00:18:19,056 --> 00:18:20,558 man: Thirty seconds to floor. 424 00:18:20,558 --> 00:18:22,810 Julie: This could give us both a big boost. 425 00:18:22,810 --> 00:18:24,228 It's incredibly hot, 426 00:18:24,228 --> 00:18:26,063 our faces will be all over every promo 427 00:18:26,063 --> 00:18:27,440 for the 6 o'clock news. 428 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,567 Think of the exposure. 429 00:18:29,567 --> 00:18:31,319 Sounds great. Let's do it this afternoon. 430 00:18:31,319 --> 00:18:34,030 Julie: I can't. I've got a remote at Griffith Park. 431 00:18:34,030 --> 00:18:35,364 And I'm in the editing room all day tomorrow. 432 00:18:35,364 --> 00:18:37,116 How about tomorrow night? 433 00:18:37,116 --> 00:18:40,411 We can go to my place, order a pizza, go over everything. 434 00:18:40,411 --> 00:18:43,372 Your place. Tomorrow. You've got it. 435 00:18:43,372 --> 00:18:48,336 man: And four, three, two, one... 436 00:18:48,336 --> 00:18:51,380 Dr. Connor, you're a specialist in hypothermia 437 00:18:51,380 --> 00:18:54,008 and the study of blood flow to the brain, correct? 438 00:18:54,008 --> 00:18:55,801 Yes, with the Rubin grant, 439 00:18:55,801 --> 00:18:58,554 I hope to find ways to lessen the damage of heart disease 440 00:18:58,554 --> 00:19:00,306 by cooling certain parts of the brain. 441 00:19:00,306 --> 00:19:01,640 What good would that do? 442 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,559 During a heart attack or stroke, 443 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:06,228 the brain gets less oxygen and glucose. 444 00:19:06,228 --> 00:19:07,897 Cooling the brain helps diminish it's need 445 00:19:07,897 --> 00:19:09,774 for those things, and hopefully 446 00:19:09,774 --> 00:19:11,901 extends the time for medical intervention. 447 00:19:11,901 --> 00:19:15,029 And where does the Dachau hypothermia data fit in? 448 00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:16,947 That data could pinpoint which areas 449 00:19:16,947 --> 00:19:19,283 of the brain are most responsive to cooling. 450 00:19:19,283 --> 00:19:21,160 It will also help determine how far 451 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,121 we can cool someone's brain before we do damage ourselves. 452 00:19:24,121 --> 00:19:26,582 And that information isn't available elsewhere? 453 00:19:26,582 --> 00:19:28,668 No, with all their flaws, 454 00:19:28,668 --> 00:19:30,419 the Dachau hypothermia experiments 455 00:19:30,419 --> 00:19:32,338 are the most extensive studies 456 00:19:32,338 --> 00:19:34,465 of the human thermoregulatory system we have. 457 00:19:34,465 --> 00:19:35,758 Jonathan: What about using animal studies? 458 00:19:35,758 --> 00:19:37,385 They don't help. 459 00:19:37,385 --> 00:19:41,013 All mammals respond differently to cold. 460 00:19:41,013 --> 00:19:42,473 How do you feel about 461 00:19:42,473 --> 00:19:45,726 what the Nazis did at Dachau, Dr. Connor? 462 00:19:45,726 --> 00:19:47,103 As a human being, 463 00:19:47,103 --> 00:19:50,606 I think it's horrendous. 464 00:19:50,606 --> 00:19:52,149 As a medical researcher, 465 00:19:52,149 --> 00:19:54,193 I have to balance it against the potential 466 00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:56,737 the research has to save others. 467 00:19:56,737 --> 00:19:57,947 Jonathan: Thank you, Dr. Connor. 468 00:19:57,947 --> 00:19:59,281 No further questions. 469 00:20:02,118 --> 00:20:03,702 Dr. Connor, 470 00:20:03,702 --> 00:20:05,037 could you complete your project 471 00:20:05,037 --> 00:20:07,123 without the Dachau hypothermia data? 472 00:20:07,123 --> 00:20:08,916 Yes, but it would take longer. 473 00:20:08,916 --> 00:20:10,126 Months longer. 474 00:20:10,126 --> 00:20:12,920 And every 32 seconds in this country, 475 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,464 someone dies of cardiovascular disease. 476 00:20:15,464 --> 00:20:17,341 Someone I might be able to save. 477 00:20:17,341 --> 00:20:19,009 Wouldn't those extra months also benefit you 478 00:20:19,009 --> 00:20:20,177 professionally, Dr. Connor? 479 00:20:20,177 --> 00:20:21,804 By giving you a leg up 480 00:20:21,804 --> 00:20:23,472 on the other researchers working in this field? 481 00:20:23,472 --> 00:20:25,141 - Objection! Donald: Overruled. 482 00:20:25,141 --> 00:20:27,435 My main concern is saving lives. 483 00:20:27,435 --> 00:20:28,686 But you have no compelling evidence 484 00:20:28,686 --> 00:20:30,187 your findings will do that, do you? 485 00:20:30,187 --> 00:20:31,564 Emily: Of course, I can't guarantee it-- 486 00:20:31,564 --> 00:20:32,565 In fact, that's just speculation 487 00:20:32,565 --> 00:20:33,941 on your part, isn't it? 488 00:20:33,941 --> 00:20:35,734 - Technically, yes, but-- Neil: Thank you. 489 00:20:35,734 --> 00:20:37,403 Doctor, you knew the Rubin Foundation 490 00:20:37,403 --> 00:20:39,822 was established in memory of two Holocaust victims. 491 00:20:39,822 --> 00:20:41,115 Why didn't you tell them you were planning 492 00:20:41,115 --> 00:20:42,700 to use the Nazi data? 493 00:20:42,700 --> 00:20:44,869 It never occurred to me. 494 00:20:44,869 --> 00:20:47,371 The data's origins aren't important to my research. 495 00:20:47,371 --> 00:20:51,876 Its origins weren't important to you. 496 00:20:51,876 --> 00:20:53,461 Tell me, doctor, how many people 497 00:20:53,461 --> 00:20:55,296 were exterminated in the Holocaust? 498 00:20:55,296 --> 00:20:56,422 Objection, relevance, Your Honor? 499 00:20:56,422 --> 00:20:58,591 Dr. Connor claims to have 500 00:20:58,591 --> 00:21:00,384 "balanced" the data's Nazi origins 501 00:21:00,384 --> 00:21:02,803 against the potential good it may provide. 502 00:21:02,803 --> 00:21:04,180 I'm trying to find out how much she actually knows 503 00:21:04,180 --> 00:21:06,015 about those origins. 504 00:21:06,015 --> 00:21:09,393 I'll give you some leeway here, counsel, but keep it brief. 505 00:21:09,393 --> 00:21:12,104 Thank you. Dr. Connor? 506 00:21:12,104 --> 00:21:14,064 Six million people died in the Holocaust. 507 00:21:14,064 --> 00:21:15,357 Sixteen million, doctor. 508 00:21:15,357 --> 00:21:17,109 Six million were Jews. 509 00:21:17,109 --> 00:21:19,612 - Do you know what Babi Yar is? - No. 510 00:21:19,612 --> 00:21:21,071 It was the largest single act 511 00:21:21,071 --> 00:21:23,616 of genocide of the war. 512 00:21:23,616 --> 00:21:26,035 Thirty-four thousand Jews slaughtered. 513 00:21:26,035 --> 00:21:28,245 - What about Kristallpacht? Emily: No. 514 00:21:28,245 --> 00:21:29,872 Neil: Who conceived the Final Solution? 515 00:21:29,872 --> 00:21:32,666 - Adolf Hitler. - Adolf Eichmann. 516 00:21:32,666 --> 00:21:35,127 How can you have "balanced the good against the evil 517 00:21:35,127 --> 00:21:36,921 when you clearly have no idea 518 00:21:36,921 --> 00:21:38,964 of the enormity of that evil, doctor? 519 00:21:38,964 --> 00:21:41,634 The history of Nazism wasn't my concern-- 520 00:21:41,634 --> 00:21:44,220 Sixteen million dead, that's not your concern? 521 00:21:44,220 --> 00:21:46,555 I wasn't about to become a Holocaust scholar 522 00:21:46,555 --> 00:21:49,266 just to do a physiology study, it wasn't relevant! 523 00:21:49,266 --> 00:21:51,727 You research everything else, why not this? 524 00:21:51,727 --> 00:21:53,521 Because you just didn't care? 525 00:21:53,521 --> 00:21:54,897 Objection, argumentative! 526 00:21:54,897 --> 00:21:56,649 Neil: Withdrawn. 527 00:21:56,649 --> 00:21:58,025 I have nothing further. 528 00:22:10,996 --> 00:22:12,456 Where the hell were you in there? 529 00:22:12,456 --> 00:22:14,667 Oh, he has the right to question you. 530 00:22:14,667 --> 00:22:17,044 Question me? He was haranguing me! 531 00:22:17,044 --> 00:22:18,879 I didn't conduct those experiments, Jonathan! 532 00:22:18,879 --> 00:22:20,631 I just want to study them! 533 00:22:20,631 --> 00:22:23,425 Any more objections would have alienated the jury, Emily 534 00:22:23,425 --> 00:22:25,511 and implied you didn't know the answers to his questions. 535 00:22:25,511 --> 00:22:27,263 Well, obviously, I didn't. 536 00:22:30,266 --> 00:22:33,227 - Did you? - No. 537 00:22:33,227 --> 00:22:34,603 It took me four years 538 00:22:34,603 --> 00:22:37,022 to get a grant for this project. 539 00:22:37,022 --> 00:22:39,858 I am not unsympathetic to Mr. Rubin's feelings, 540 00:22:39,858 --> 00:22:42,820 but I do not intend to go back to being a dog labber 541 00:22:42,820 --> 00:22:44,321 just because some old man can't see 542 00:22:44,321 --> 00:22:45,948 the forest for the trees!! 543 00:22:45,948 --> 00:22:47,866 [instrumental music] 544 00:23:01,088 --> 00:23:02,756 I called Dr. Findlestein. 545 00:23:04,133 --> 00:23:06,677 I want the DNA test. 546 00:23:06,677 --> 00:23:08,804 It'll only confirm what we already know, Stuart. 547 00:23:08,804 --> 00:23:10,264 She is your daughter. 548 00:23:14,602 --> 00:23:16,687 It's weird. 549 00:23:16,687 --> 00:23:19,523 I-- I-- I was in that room, what, five minutes? 550 00:23:19,523 --> 00:23:23,027 Most of which I spent telling myself she was a fraud, 551 00:23:23,027 --> 00:23:26,447 and this feeling keeps coming up. 552 00:23:26,447 --> 00:23:29,158 It's the same feeling I had that day we lost Kelsey. 553 00:23:33,662 --> 00:23:35,748 [sighs] What was the mother like? 554 00:23:37,249 --> 00:23:38,959 She was, she was nice. 555 00:23:38,959 --> 00:23:40,628 Karen. 556 00:23:40,628 --> 00:23:43,631 She was funny. She was smart. 557 00:23:43,631 --> 00:23:45,049 Was she good in bed? 558 00:23:45,049 --> 00:23:47,051 Ann, at that point in my life, 559 00:23:47,051 --> 00:23:49,053 if I got a woman in bed, it was good. 560 00:23:49,053 --> 00:23:51,221 Obviously, you didn't practice safe sex. 561 00:23:51,221 --> 00:23:54,350 No, in 1974 "safe sex" meant not having sex 562 00:23:54,350 --> 00:23:56,143 in a moving vehicle, okay? 563 00:23:59,521 --> 00:24:01,774 Are you okay about this? 564 00:24:01,774 --> 00:24:03,817 It's not the mother 565 00:24:03,817 --> 00:24:06,779 or your relationship with her. 566 00:24:06,779 --> 00:24:08,197 It's the idea 567 00:24:08,197 --> 00:24:11,033 that there's this stranger out there 568 00:24:11,033 --> 00:24:12,201 that has some kind of claim on you. 569 00:24:12,201 --> 00:24:13,661 She doesn't have a claim on me. 570 00:24:13,661 --> 00:24:15,037 She gave up whatever claim she had 571 00:24:15,037 --> 00:24:16,497 when she walked out that door! 572 00:24:16,497 --> 00:24:18,958 She gave it up but does that mean you can? 573 00:24:21,293 --> 00:24:22,503 No. 574 00:24:25,422 --> 00:24:26,882 No, I don't think I can. 575 00:24:30,094 --> 00:24:32,054 [instrumental music] 576 00:24:41,522 --> 00:24:46,777 One of the S.S. men brought me into the operating theater. 577 00:24:46,777 --> 00:24:48,737 Next to the table there was a 578 00:24:48,737 --> 00:24:53,200 a large glass tank filled with water. 579 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,203 There was ice on the water. 580 00:24:56,203 --> 00:24:59,123 They asked me if I would like 581 00:24:59,123 --> 00:25:02,543 to send a message to my family. 582 00:25:02,543 --> 00:25:06,588 Since they were all dead, I declined. 583 00:25:06,588 --> 00:25:08,424 What happened then, Dr. Schulan? 584 00:25:08,424 --> 00:25:10,509 I was stripped naked. 585 00:25:10,509 --> 00:25:13,303 Then they lifted me into the tank. 586 00:25:13,303 --> 00:25:18,600 The... pain from the cold was indescribable. 587 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:23,313 After about 40 minutes, I passed out. 588 00:25:23,313 --> 00:25:24,773 And when you woke up? 589 00:25:24,773 --> 00:25:28,902 I was in a bed with two other naked prisoners, 590 00:25:28,902 --> 00:25:31,196 put there to warm me with body heat. 591 00:25:31,196 --> 00:25:35,701 It was one of several methods of rewarming 592 00:25:35,701 --> 00:25:38,203 that the Nazis tested. 593 00:25:38,203 --> 00:25:42,082 I was lucky. I was not thrown into boiling water. 594 00:25:42,082 --> 00:25:44,793 Dr. Schulan, how do you feel about the data 595 00:25:44,793 --> 00:25:49,381 from those experiments being used by Dr. Connor? 596 00:25:49,381 --> 00:25:52,092 If it will save lives, it should be used-- 597 00:25:52,092 --> 00:25:53,677 - God forgive you! Jonathan: Objection! 598 00:25:53,677 --> 00:25:57,431 If there is a God, may he let us both find peace. 599 00:25:57,431 --> 00:25:59,433 There is no peace for those who betray the dead! 600 00:25:59,433 --> 00:26:02,895 - Mr. Rubin, that's enough. - Kurt, sit down. 601 00:26:02,895 --> 00:26:05,814 Jonathan: Sir, why do you think the data should be used? 602 00:26:05,814 --> 00:26:10,486 Well, before I retired, I was a pediatric surgeon. 603 00:26:10,486 --> 00:26:14,823 Like any doctor, I had patients die... 604 00:26:14,823 --> 00:26:17,409 sometimes painfully. 605 00:26:17,409 --> 00:26:21,038 But I used what I learned from their deaths 606 00:26:21,038 --> 00:26:22,915 to help others. 607 00:26:22,915 --> 00:26:25,834 If knowledge from Dachau 608 00:26:25,834 --> 00:26:27,961 can help other human beings, 609 00:26:27,961 --> 00:26:31,757 then the suffering of those who died there... 610 00:26:31,757 --> 00:26:36,345 might begin to have some meaning. 611 00:26:36,345 --> 00:26:37,805 Jonathan: I have nothing else. 612 00:26:44,144 --> 00:26:48,690 Doctor... how did the Nazis monitor your body temperature? 613 00:26:48,690 --> 00:26:50,818 They inserted a wire into my rectum 614 00:26:50,818 --> 00:26:52,402 and another into my mouth. 615 00:26:52,402 --> 00:26:53,946 Neil: Didn't the Nazis at one time consider 616 00:26:53,946 --> 00:26:56,490 moving all experiments from Dachau? 617 00:26:56,490 --> 00:26:58,408 Stanley: Yes, they did. - Why? 618 00:26:58,408 --> 00:27:00,369 Well, because the screams... 619 00:27:03,372 --> 00:27:06,542 from the men and women 620 00:27:06,542 --> 00:27:09,294 were being experimented upon 621 00:27:09,294 --> 00:27:12,256 it was so loud that they disturbed the families 622 00:27:12,256 --> 00:27:15,425 of the officers who were stationed there. 623 00:27:17,136 --> 00:27:20,472 Can you ever forgive the Nazis for what they did? 624 00:27:20,472 --> 00:27:21,807 No. Never. 625 00:27:21,807 --> 00:27:23,267 Can you really blame Mr. Rubin 626 00:27:23,267 --> 00:27:24,935 for seeing Dr. Connor's project 627 00:27:24,935 --> 00:27:27,312 as legitimizing what the Nazis did? 628 00:27:27,312 --> 00:27:30,774 I appreciate his point of view. 629 00:27:30,774 --> 00:27:34,486 But we, each of us, have to make our own decisions. 630 00:27:34,486 --> 00:27:37,281 Thank you, doctor. No further questions. 631 00:27:37,281 --> 00:27:39,199 [instrumental music] 632 00:27:59,094 --> 00:28:02,389 - Karen? - Stuart? 633 00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:04,558 Stuart Markowitz? 634 00:28:04,558 --> 00:28:05,642 I thought you were dead. 635 00:28:05,642 --> 00:28:06,852 [scoff] 636 00:28:06,852 --> 00:28:08,061 Do I look that bad? 637 00:28:08,061 --> 00:28:10,480 [chuckles] I'm sorry. 638 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,233 Mom, do you know where the car keys are? 639 00:28:14,943 --> 00:28:16,445 Oh, God. 640 00:28:18,655 --> 00:28:20,991 Mom was gonna take a second mortgage out on the house 641 00:28:20,991 --> 00:28:22,993 in order to pay for college. 642 00:28:22,993 --> 00:28:25,370 I couldn't let her do that. 643 00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:27,789 She's made too many sacrifices for me. 644 00:28:27,789 --> 00:28:29,291 One more and she's up for canonization. 645 00:28:29,291 --> 00:28:30,542 [chuckles] Sarah. 646 00:28:30,542 --> 00:28:31,835 So you hired some low-rent lawyer 647 00:28:31,835 --> 00:28:33,253 who wouldn't ask too many questions 648 00:28:33,253 --> 00:28:35,047 when you told him your mother was dead. 649 00:28:37,382 --> 00:28:39,343 I didn't want to, 650 00:28:39,343 --> 00:28:42,179 but I knew you'd never go for the idea. 651 00:28:42,179 --> 00:28:43,972 Yeah. 652 00:28:43,972 --> 00:28:46,850 You were right. 653 00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:48,810 So that's why you came to see me? For the money? 654 00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:55,776 I also wanted to meet you, I guess. 655 00:28:55,776 --> 00:28:57,611 Mom told me your name, 656 00:28:57,611 --> 00:28:58,987 she said you were a lawyer, 657 00:28:58,987 --> 00:29:01,657 so I just checked with the State Bar. 658 00:29:04,993 --> 00:29:07,913 I wanted to know my father. 659 00:29:07,913 --> 00:29:10,040 And why did you back out? 660 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,960 I didn't know you had a son. 661 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,670 And... 662 00:29:14,670 --> 00:29:17,172 Well it wasn't until I saw you 663 00:29:17,172 --> 00:29:19,633 and your wife in the meeting, 664 00:29:19,633 --> 00:29:21,093 that it actually hit me how much 665 00:29:21,093 --> 00:29:23,929 I was disrupting your lives. 666 00:29:23,929 --> 00:29:25,681 I just couldn't do it. 667 00:29:33,021 --> 00:29:37,109 Wow, here's an interesting one. 668 00:29:37,109 --> 00:29:39,611 A "Viennese oyster." 669 00:29:39,611 --> 00:29:41,697 The woman puts her feet behind her head-- 670 00:29:41,697 --> 00:29:43,782 I know it. 671 00:29:43,782 --> 00:29:46,827 I thought you might. 672 00:29:46,827 --> 00:29:48,161 Julie, these people are incredible. 673 00:29:48,161 --> 00:29:49,955 I mean, sharing these sexual fantasies 674 00:29:49,955 --> 00:29:51,039 in bed is one thing, 675 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:54,334 but... doing it in public... 676 00:29:54,334 --> 00:29:57,212 You know what my favorite fantasy is? 677 00:29:57,212 --> 00:29:59,464 No, what? 678 00:29:59,464 --> 00:30:03,343 I come home from the 11 o'clock night cast ... 679 00:30:03,343 --> 00:30:06,263 I slip into a hot bath... 680 00:30:06,263 --> 00:30:09,516 I feel the warm water swirl and flow 681 00:30:09,516 --> 00:30:11,393 between my legs... 682 00:30:11,393 --> 00:30:15,605 I lean back and close my eyes... 683 00:30:15,605 --> 00:30:17,274 I feel the water from the faucet 684 00:30:17,274 --> 00:30:20,318 caress my ankle like a kiss... 685 00:30:20,318 --> 00:30:22,654 And when I open my eyes... 686 00:30:22,654 --> 00:30:24,281 he's there. 687 00:30:24,281 --> 00:30:26,742 Crouched by the tub, 688 00:30:26,742 --> 00:30:29,911 kissing the calf of my leg... 689 00:30:29,911 --> 00:30:34,124 and slowly, working his way up... 690 00:30:34,124 --> 00:30:36,209 my eyes meet his... 691 00:30:43,508 --> 00:30:45,260 Julie. I-- I--... 692 00:30:45,260 --> 00:30:48,096 - I can't. I can't. I'm sorry. - Why not? 693 00:30:48,096 --> 00:30:51,349 Listen, you're a beautiful woman 694 00:30:51,349 --> 00:30:52,768 and if we'd met a year ago, 695 00:30:52,768 --> 00:30:53,852 you might've been the greatest thing 696 00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:55,020 that ever happened to me-- 697 00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:57,189 I still can be. 698 00:30:57,189 --> 00:31:00,734 I live with someone 699 00:31:00,734 --> 00:31:02,277 and I love her. 700 00:31:02,277 --> 00:31:04,696 And I can't... 701 00:31:04,696 --> 00:31:06,198 I won't hurt her. 702 00:31:06,198 --> 00:31:08,742 God, that turns me on. 703 00:31:08,742 --> 00:31:10,869 Julie, look. I gotta go. 704 00:31:12,996 --> 00:31:15,332 [screams] 705 00:31:15,332 --> 00:31:17,042 Arnie. What's wrong? 706 00:31:17,042 --> 00:31:19,503 Oh. Oh. Oh, the pain. 707 00:31:21,338 --> 00:31:22,881 It's like a knife. 708 00:31:22,881 --> 00:31:24,633 What, did you hurt your back? Here, let me-- 709 00:31:24,633 --> 00:31:26,551 No, I'm fine. I-- I'm okay-- 710 00:31:26,551 --> 00:31:30,180 Arnie, I'm not gonna rape you. Here, sit down. 711 00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:31,807 [screams] 712 00:31:31,807 --> 00:31:34,184 Arnie, where is this pain? 713 00:31:34,184 --> 00:31:39,106 In my, uh... left... testicle. 714 00:31:39,106 --> 00:31:41,233 You know, I'm trying not to take this personally, 715 00:31:41,233 --> 00:31:42,734 but it isn't easy. 716 00:31:42,734 --> 00:31:45,112 Maybe it's just like a charley horse. 717 00:31:45,112 --> 00:31:46,947 Maybe you just need to work it out. 718 00:31:46,947 --> 00:31:49,950 No! Ah! Ah! No kidding. 719 00:31:49,950 --> 00:31:53,286 Julie, I-- I'm in real pain here. 720 00:31:53,286 --> 00:31:54,704 Well, we better get you to a hospital. 721 00:31:54,704 --> 00:31:56,414 Can you... walk? 722 00:31:56,414 --> 00:31:58,875 Yeah, I'm... I'm fine, as long as it, 723 00:31:58,875 --> 00:32:01,586 as long as it doesn't touch the inside of my thigh. 724 00:32:01,586 --> 00:32:03,213 Ah! Ah! 725 00:32:03,213 --> 00:32:04,381 Could you give my coat? 726 00:32:09,469 --> 00:32:12,806 - Come on. - Who says romance is dead? 727 00:32:12,806 --> 00:32:14,891 [sighs] 728 00:32:25,944 --> 00:32:27,988 How are you feeling? 729 00:32:27,988 --> 00:32:30,866 It hurts even with it touching the table. 730 00:32:30,866 --> 00:32:32,242 Why don't you bend your knees? 731 00:32:32,242 --> 00:32:35,704 That way... you're not making contact. 732 00:32:36,913 --> 00:32:38,832 Ah! 733 00:32:38,832 --> 00:32:39,958 - Arnie? - Rox. 734 00:32:39,958 --> 00:32:41,585 Roxanne: I called the studio. 735 00:32:41,585 --> 00:32:45,422 They said you were at her house and you had an accident. 736 00:32:45,422 --> 00:32:47,048 What the hell are you doing? 737 00:32:47,048 --> 00:32:50,010 I'm just trying to make him more comfortable. 738 00:32:50,010 --> 00:32:51,887 - I'll bet. Arnie: Rox. 739 00:32:51,887 --> 00:32:52,888 They don't know how this happened. 740 00:32:52,888 --> 00:32:54,514 It might be a hernia... 741 00:32:54,514 --> 00:32:59,227 I-- I-- I may have sprained a muscle in my... groin. 742 00:32:59,227 --> 00:33:02,522 You know, I'm probably not needed here any more. 743 00:33:02,522 --> 00:33:03,899 You're gonna be fine, Arnie. 744 00:33:03,899 --> 00:33:05,859 Roxanne'll take care of you. 745 00:33:11,948 --> 00:33:14,075 Well, this is a new one, even for you. 746 00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:16,912 Rox, I swear nothing happened. We were just working. 747 00:33:16,912 --> 00:33:18,872 At her house? 748 00:33:18,872 --> 00:33:20,790 Mr. Becker, I'm Dr. Stewart. 749 00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:22,250 I'm a urologist. 750 00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:23,793 - Rox, don't leave! - Are you kidding? 751 00:33:23,793 --> 00:33:25,503 I'm thinking of selling tickets. 752 00:33:25,503 --> 00:33:31,218 Okay, now I'm going to have to palpate the area. 753 00:33:31,218 --> 00:33:34,137 Just... relax. 754 00:33:38,892 --> 00:33:40,894 Stewart: Does this hurt? - No. 755 00:33:40,894 --> 00:33:41,937 How about this? 756 00:33:41,937 --> 00:33:43,647 [screams] 757 00:33:43,647 --> 00:33:46,066 Ahh! Oh! Yeah. 758 00:33:46,066 --> 00:33:49,486 Mr. Becker, you have a torsion. 759 00:33:49,486 --> 00:33:52,739 A man's testicles are suspended inside his scrotal sac 760 00:33:52,739 --> 00:33:55,116 by the spermatic cords. 761 00:33:55,116 --> 00:33:58,453 These cords can sometimes become twisted. 762 00:33:58,453 --> 00:34:00,538 How did it happen? 763 00:34:00,538 --> 00:34:02,958 Any number of ways. A sharp, sudden movement... 764 00:34:02,958 --> 00:34:04,626 slipping on a wet surface... 765 00:34:04,626 --> 00:34:06,503 Don't worry though, it's easily correctable. 766 00:34:06,503 --> 00:34:08,797 We just go inside and rotate the testis 767 00:34:08,797 --> 00:34:10,006 until the cord is untwisted. 768 00:34:10,006 --> 00:34:11,341 You have to cut them open? 769 00:34:11,341 --> 00:34:13,343 Yes, but it's only minor surgery. 770 00:34:13,343 --> 00:34:15,345 We give you a spinal block to numb it 771 00:34:15,345 --> 00:34:17,055 and then we go in. 772 00:34:17,055 --> 00:34:20,058 But I do have to warn you when the cord twisted, 773 00:34:20,058 --> 00:34:22,394 it can cut off the flow of blood. 774 00:34:22,394 --> 00:34:24,187 We could open it up to discover 775 00:34:24,187 --> 00:34:25,897 the testicle has turned gangrenous. 776 00:34:25,897 --> 00:34:27,482 Gangrene? 777 00:34:27,482 --> 00:34:31,194 In that case, of course, we'd have to remove it. 778 00:34:31,194 --> 00:34:32,237 Oh! 779 00:34:37,742 --> 00:34:40,453 Auschwitz... Dachau... 780 00:34:40,453 --> 00:34:44,207 Bergen-Belsen ... Treblinka. 781 00:34:44,207 --> 00:34:47,210 Sixteen million human lives. 782 00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:49,379 That's the entire population of New York 783 00:34:49,379 --> 00:34:51,256 and Los Angeles combined. 784 00:34:51,256 --> 00:34:52,632 Imagine this city empty... 785 00:34:52,632 --> 00:34:55,385 Every human being who lives here dead 786 00:34:55,385 --> 00:34:58,930 in the gas chambers. 787 00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:01,558 It's too much for us to take in. 788 00:35:01,558 --> 00:35:04,894 We can't help abstracting it. 789 00:35:04,894 --> 00:35:06,813 But that is the one thing we cannot do. 790 00:35:06,813 --> 00:35:08,898 If someone like Sigmund Rasher 791 00:35:08,898 --> 00:35:12,193 proposed doing his hideous experiments today, 792 00:35:12,193 --> 00:35:14,988 society would never permit it. 793 00:35:14,988 --> 00:35:16,740 So why is it alright to use it 794 00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:19,200 after the atrocities have been committed? 795 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,869 What kind of deterrence 796 00:35:20,869 --> 00:35:23,455 does that pose to unethical researchers? 797 00:35:23,455 --> 00:35:25,832 Dr. Connor signed a contract 798 00:35:25,832 --> 00:35:29,294 that requires the use of ethical medical standards. 799 00:35:29,294 --> 00:35:31,838 Now by using the Dachau experiments in her work, 800 00:35:31,838 --> 00:35:34,466 she has violated those standards, 801 00:35:34,466 --> 00:35:36,801 especially since she is unable to show 802 00:35:36,801 --> 00:35:41,264 that the Dachau data is of any compelling value. 803 00:35:44,601 --> 00:35:49,397 First we ignore the lessons of history... 804 00:35:51,441 --> 00:35:54,861 then we forget... 805 00:35:54,861 --> 00:35:59,282 then we repeat them. 806 00:36:01,618 --> 00:36:05,580 Tell those who would draw comfort from this... 807 00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:09,793 we shall never forget. 808 00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:23,765 Dr. Emily Connor is not a Nazi. 809 00:36:23,765 --> 00:36:25,975 She abhors, as all of us do, 810 00:36:25,975 --> 00:36:29,270 the methods by which this data was gained. 811 00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:31,564 The data is there, 812 00:36:31,564 --> 00:36:35,318 and there are many respected scientists who find it valid. 813 00:36:35,318 --> 00:36:38,613 For her to ignore it is to ignore the pain and suffering 814 00:36:38,613 --> 00:36:41,032 which she might be able to alleviate. 815 00:36:41,032 --> 00:36:43,660 And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the one thing 816 00:36:43,660 --> 00:36:45,829 she cannot do. 817 00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:47,288 Dr. Stanley Schulan, 818 00:36:47,288 --> 00:36:50,166 a survivor of the hypothermia experiments, 819 00:36:50,166 --> 00:36:52,460 believes she should be allowed to try. 820 00:36:56,256 --> 00:37:00,760 Mr. Rubin is a good man 821 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,637 with a tragic history. 822 00:37:02,637 --> 00:37:04,848 His concern is understandable. 823 00:37:04,848 --> 00:37:07,892 Respect what he has to say. It's important. 824 00:37:07,892 --> 00:37:11,813 But give the situation the perspective he can't. 825 00:37:11,813 --> 00:37:14,399 Let Dr. Connor honor the dead 826 00:37:14,399 --> 00:37:16,151 by honoring the living. 827 00:37:16,151 --> 00:37:18,653 Don't stand between her and the lives 828 00:37:18,653 --> 00:37:20,655 she might be able to save. 829 00:37:29,914 --> 00:37:31,040 [laughs] 830 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:31,958 What? 831 00:37:34,294 --> 00:37:38,047 "To Arnold who brings new meaning to the phrase 832 00:37:38,047 --> 00:37:40,341 'Hoist on his own petard.'" 833 00:37:43,553 --> 00:37:46,181 Well, at least the family jewels are as good as new. 834 00:37:47,891 --> 00:37:49,434 Better. 835 00:37:49,434 --> 00:37:51,770 The doctor told me he tacked them down, 836 00:37:51,770 --> 00:37:52,770 while he was in there. 837 00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:54,481 "Tacked them down?" 838 00:37:54,481 --> 00:37:57,567 You know, sutured them to the inside of the scrotum. 839 00:37:57,567 --> 00:37:59,694 So they wouldn't get twisted up again. 840 00:38:04,866 --> 00:38:07,994 Rox, about Julie... 841 00:38:09,704 --> 00:38:11,790 I swear nothing happened. 842 00:38:11,790 --> 00:38:13,958 Only because you sprained your testicle. 843 00:38:13,958 --> 00:38:15,835 No, no, even before that. 844 00:38:15,835 --> 00:38:17,796 I admit I thought about it, okay? 845 00:38:17,796 --> 00:38:18,963 But when push came to shove-- 846 00:38:18,963 --> 00:38:20,548 So to speak-- 847 00:38:20,548 --> 00:38:22,258 It was weird, Rox, for the first time in my life 848 00:38:22,258 --> 00:38:23,593 there was this... 849 00:38:23,593 --> 00:38:25,261 I don't know... 850 00:38:25,261 --> 00:38:27,055 there was this, like, circuit breaker inside of me, 851 00:38:27,055 --> 00:38:30,099 and it just tripped... 852 00:38:30,099 --> 00:38:31,601 and I said no. 853 00:38:31,601 --> 00:38:34,020 I couldn't believe it myself, but I know 854 00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:37,190 how hard it is for you to believe, but I swear... 855 00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:39,567 it's true. 856 00:38:39,567 --> 00:38:42,654 Okay, nothing happened. 857 00:38:46,032 --> 00:38:47,784 You don't sound like you mean it. 858 00:38:50,411 --> 00:38:53,081 Don't push it, Arnie. 859 00:38:53,081 --> 00:38:54,791 I'm doing the best that I can. 860 00:38:59,546 --> 00:39:01,923 Rubin: If I had hired you, Mr. Rollins, 861 00:39:01,923 --> 00:39:05,677 could you have argued my case as convincingly? 862 00:39:05,677 --> 00:39:09,430 I thought your side was very convincing. 863 00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:11,349 The jury may, too. 864 00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:13,059 I don't expect them to. 865 00:39:13,059 --> 00:39:16,813 Even Mr. Robertson thought we had a tough case. 866 00:39:16,813 --> 00:39:19,858 Then why wouldn't you even discuss a settlement? 867 00:39:19,858 --> 00:39:23,319 How do you make a settlement with evil, Mr. Rollins? 868 00:39:23,319 --> 00:39:25,864 Each time you refuse to look it in the face 869 00:39:25,864 --> 00:39:27,949 and say 'No more,' 870 00:39:27,949 --> 00:39:30,827 it creeps a little closer. 871 00:39:30,827 --> 00:39:34,289 Do I have to tell this to you, with your people's history? 872 00:39:34,289 --> 00:39:35,456 No. 873 00:39:37,876 --> 00:39:39,460 When my father was told that he could 874 00:39:39,460 --> 00:39:41,462 no longer teach at the University, 875 00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:44,257 he stayed home and tutored. 876 00:39:44,257 --> 00:39:47,051 When the students stopped coming, 877 00:39:47,051 --> 00:39:50,346 he found work running errands. 878 00:39:50,346 --> 00:39:52,390 When the Nazis came for our neighbors, 879 00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:56,102 he comforted us by saying that sanity must return, 880 00:39:56,102 --> 00:39:59,063 if we could just wait it out. 881 00:39:59,063 --> 00:40:02,692 And when the Nazis finally ordered my father to choose 882 00:40:02,692 --> 00:40:05,945 the next men to die at Auschwitz, 883 00:40:05,945 --> 00:40:09,073 I believe he understood at last and he killed himself. 884 00:40:10,366 --> 00:40:11,743 I'm sorry. 885 00:40:14,287 --> 00:40:17,332 I didn't come here just to win, Mr. Rollins. 886 00:40:17,332 --> 00:40:20,293 I came to... 887 00:40:20,293 --> 00:40:22,045 bring a warning. 888 00:40:22,045 --> 00:40:25,340 Do you think anybody heard me? 889 00:40:25,340 --> 00:40:28,217 Yeah. I do. 890 00:40:30,762 --> 00:40:32,180 The jury is in. 891 00:40:43,274 --> 00:40:44,651 Donald: Has the jury reached a verdict? 892 00:40:44,651 --> 00:40:46,402 Yes, we have, Your Honor. 893 00:40:46,402 --> 00:40:49,197 In the matter of The Simon and Katherine Rubin Foundation 894 00:40:49,197 --> 00:40:52,033 versus University of California and Emily Connor, 895 00:40:52,033 --> 00:40:54,911 we find for the defendant. 896 00:40:54,911 --> 00:40:56,329 Oh, thank God. 897 00:40:56,329 --> 00:40:57,789 Donald: Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 898 00:40:57,789 --> 00:40:59,415 thank you for your service. 899 00:40:59,415 --> 00:41:00,708 This court is adjourned. 900 00:41:05,964 --> 00:41:07,840 So, what's the latest? 901 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,467 Well, I... 902 00:41:09,467 --> 00:41:11,594 I think I finally talked her into letting me send Sarah 903 00:41:11,594 --> 00:41:13,137 to college for one year. 904 00:41:13,137 --> 00:41:16,849 And... if that goes well, we go on from there. 905 00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:18,351 Unless you have a problem with it. 906 00:41:18,351 --> 00:41:21,062 No, no, it's the right thing to do. 907 00:41:21,062 --> 00:41:22,939 It's just hard to believe that this Karen 908 00:41:22,939 --> 00:41:24,816 wouldn't have come to you for help before. 909 00:41:24,816 --> 00:41:27,902 Well, it's not hard to believe if you know her. 910 00:41:27,902 --> 00:41:29,070 I mean, this is a woman who started 911 00:41:29,070 --> 00:41:30,279 her own catering business, 912 00:41:30,279 --> 00:41:31,656 it goes belly-up in the recession, 913 00:41:31,656 --> 00:41:33,324 and she refuses to go Chapter 11. 914 00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:35,451 She's going to pay off each and every creditor. 915 00:41:35,451 --> 00:41:36,953 That's the way she is. 916 00:41:36,953 --> 00:41:38,621 It's admirable. 917 00:41:38,621 --> 00:41:40,248 Not terribly realistic. 918 00:41:40,248 --> 00:41:41,749 No, it's not. 919 00:41:41,749 --> 00:41:43,710 So, I told her, look, if you're determined 920 00:41:43,710 --> 00:41:45,837 to go about it this way, at least let me help you set up 921 00:41:45,837 --> 00:41:48,631 a more structured schedule. So she's gonna... 922 00:41:48,631 --> 00:41:52,719 she's gonna... let me do that. 923 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,722 That's very nice of you. 924 00:41:55,722 --> 00:41:57,682 I have to do somethin' here, honey. 925 00:41:57,682 --> 00:42:00,643 Absolutely. I understand. 926 00:42:00,643 --> 00:42:02,937 She sounds like a very interesting person. 927 00:42:02,937 --> 00:42:04,731 You wanna have 'em to dinner? 928 00:42:04,731 --> 00:42:08,109 Why don't we have her and Sarah to dinner next week? 929 00:42:08,109 --> 00:42:09,610 I-- I I think it might be a little soon. 930 00:42:09,610 --> 00:42:11,154 She's still getting used to the idea of accepting 931 00:42:11,154 --> 00:42:13,531 help from me, I-- I... 932 00:42:13,531 --> 00:42:14,949 I don't want to push it. 933 00:42:14,949 --> 00:42:16,409 Maybe down the line. 934 00:42:16,409 --> 00:42:18,703 Okay. Fine. 935 00:42:18,703 --> 00:42:24,417 [sighs] It's just hard to get used to the idea 936 00:42:24,417 --> 00:42:26,669 that you have this entire family out there 937 00:42:26,669 --> 00:42:30,173 that I'm not a part of. 938 00:42:30,173 --> 00:42:32,383 Honey... 939 00:42:32,383 --> 00:42:34,677 Oh, that could be Ned. He was gonna call. 940 00:42:34,677 --> 00:42:36,054 Hello? 941 00:42:36,054 --> 00:42:38,389 Oh, hi, Karen. How ya doin'? 942 00:42:38,389 --> 00:42:40,975 No, it's no problem. No problem at all. 943 00:42:40,975 --> 00:42:43,311 Yeah, I'm gonna take care of it tomorrow. 944 00:42:43,311 --> 00:42:46,105 Yeah, Claremont does have more 945 00:42:46,105 --> 00:42:48,024 individualized instruction, but I don't think 946 00:42:48,024 --> 00:42:51,611 we should discount Stanford, you know. 947 00:42:51,611 --> 00:42:52,987 No, it's not that much more. 948 00:42:52,987 --> 00:42:55,281 Hey, let me worry about the money, okay? 949 00:42:55,281 --> 00:42:56,449 Okay. 950 00:42:59,452 --> 00:43:01,412 [singing in foreign language] 951 00:44:00,555 --> 00:44:02,515 [theme music]